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Postby Pixel8r » Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:34 pm » Safari 6.0.5 Safari 6.0.5  Mac OS X Mac OS X  Screen Resolution: 1680 x 1050 1680 x 1050

Cameron is also attempting to restrict free speech while restricting children's access to porn and violence. Can't have sites like this subverting the future debt slaves minds.

UK Ban on Esoteric Websites Will Limit Free Thinking and Impact Small Business

It’s been called a ‘War on Consciousness’. UK Prime Minister David Cameron has caused outrage by grouping esoteric websites and web forums together with violent material, pornography and pro-suicide sites in his paternalistic plan is to block access to online ‘threats’ from the New Year onwards.

Mr. Cameron’s proposed block on websites that contain information or images that could be ‘harmful to children’ will mean that web users will have to ‘opt-in’ to viewing websites across a range of topics. But while users can ‘opt in’, there are fears that choosing to unblock certain sites will raise a red flag to the authorities, identifying individuals as potential trouble makers. There are also questions about how search engines will handle and display blocked sites, and whether traffic to such sites (like this one!) will therefore be affected.


Here’s a list of topics the government intends to block:

  • violent material
  • pornography
  • eating disorder websites
  • suicide related websites
  • tools to unblock websites
  • web forums
  • alcohol
  • smoking
  • esoteric material
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Postby Pixel8r » Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:09 pm » Safari 6.0.5 Safari 6.0.5  Mac OS X Mac OS X  Screen Resolution: 1680 x 1050 1680 x 1050

I recommend that anyone who lives in the UK and can't derestrict sets up VPN access to the net, that way they won't be able to stop you having access to this site.

Here is a free VPN service - http://www.justfreevpn.com

I have tested it and could connect to the Canadian VPN and UK one but not the US one. Just save the settings for the Canadian VPN and activate it if the restrictions come in.

If anyone else finds any better way of getting round this possible censorship please post it in here.
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Postby Pixel8r » Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:21 pm » Safari 6.0.5 Safari 6.0.5  Mac OS X Mac OS X  Screen Resolution: 1680 x 1050 1680 x 1050

Just had a bit more of a look around and have found this VPN which looks faster than the one listed above. This one gives you 100MB of free data and after that you buy data transfer at;

  • 50GB = $12
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  • 500GB = $50

Use this link to setup - https://www.privatetunnel.com/index.php ... EI2EOVRPFI
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Postby warpig » Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:17 pm » Google Chrome 30.0.159 Google Chrome 30.0.159  Windows Seven Windows Seven  Screen Resolution: 1680 x 1050 1680 x 1050

Where's the official bill that will legislate this? I can't find it anywhere.
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warpig » Tue Oct 22, 2013 12:17 am wrote:Where's the official bill that will legislate this? I can't find it anywhere.

Maybe they are making it up as they go along and using the opportunity to further dumb down the public.
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Postby warpig » Tue Oct 22, 2013 8:34 am » Google Chrome 30.0.159 Google Chrome 30.0.159  Windows Seven Windows Seven  Screen Resolution: 1680 x 1050 1680 x 1050

Maybe or perhaps the alternate news outlets have it wrong. I'd like to see this for myself, I don't believe for a second the government will ban forums, it sounds like they haven't read the bill properly IMO.
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Postby Pixel8r » Tue Oct 22, 2013 8:37 am » Safari 6.0.5 Safari 6.0.5  Mac OS X Mac OS X  Screen Resolution: 1920 x 1200 1920 x 1200

warpig » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:34 am wrote:Maybe or perhaps the alternate news outlets have it wrong. I'd like to see this for myself, I don't believe for a second the government will ban forums, it sounds like they haven't read the bill properly IMO.

Yeah maybe but I put nothing past the government after their decision to bail the banks out.
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Postby id5 » Sat Oct 26, 2013 7:33 am » Internet Explorer 10 Internet Explorer 10  Windows Seven 64 bits Windows Seven 64 bits  Screen Resolution: 1920 x 1080 1920 x 1080

If you cannot control it then you cannot tax it and the Internet looks very inviting to a tax man.
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id5 » Sat Oct 26, 2013 8:33 am wrote:If you cannot control it then you cannot tax it and the Internet looks very inviting to a tax man.

If they start to tax the internet all that will happen is people stop using it and go back to other methods. Prior to the internet I ran a bulletin board that carried messages across the world via modem download packet networks. People will always find ways around taxes that restrict communication.

There is a few technologies starting to come about already that offer local networks. There was the occupy.here device which basically created a local private network, which originated at from offering communications at the occupy sites. John Mcafee has also talk about developing something very similar called D-Central. If they attempt to restrict access to internet comms it will just end up sending communication underground again, which would probably end up being worse for them in the long run.
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Postby warpig » Sat Oct 26, 2013 4:16 pm » Google Chrome 30.0.159 Google Chrome 30.0.159  Windows Seven Windows Seven  Screen Resolution: 1680 x 1050 1680 x 1050

It doesn't matter if you use a XDSL or analogue 9600 modem and a forum or a bulletin board, it's still the internet, i.e. it's still an interconnected network.

The trend over the next 5 years is decentralised encrypted and probably anonymous communications, i.e. instead of a star topology network, it will be more based on the peer2peer system enjoyed by bittorrent and TOR. I've often wondered what would happen if the US killed the internet for some reason and they could, they control the root DNS servers of the world and probably the backbone of the internet. Or another situation could be if the US collapsed and there was some form of martial law in the US, how would people communicate if the internet was shut down? I think you'd start to see localised adhoc wireless encrypted networks pop up, they would inturn be connected by directional antennas which you can make out of pringles tubes. These would in turn repeat signals to other adhoc wireless networks. I think people want to be connected with one another and nature would find a way... They would have to then tax the 2.4GHz airwaves and I think that would be extremely difficult. Maybe they'll tax wireless antennas!

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Interesting thread.
I wonder if the authorities, rather than block ban sites, will just monitor the usage closer.
This seems more the style of current governance - let things be as the market sets, but use league tables, monitoring, auditing etc. to motivate change. Change coming from internet providers having targets for complaints etc.
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Postby warpig » Sat Oct 26, 2013 10:23 pm » Google Chrome 30.0.159 Google Chrome 30.0.159  Windows Seven Windows Seven  Screen Resolution: 1680 x 1050 1680 x 1050

I'm sure they'll take the opinion it's better to see what's being said, then force it underground. Much like keeping your friends close, but your enemies closer so to speak.
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Postby id5 » Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:45 am » Internet Explorer 10 Internet Explorer 10  Windows Seven 64 bits Windows Seven 64 bits  Screen Resolution: 1920 x 1080 1920 x 1080

Pixel8r » Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:41 am wrote:
id5 » Sat Oct 26, 2013 8:33 am wrote:If you cannot control it then you cannot tax it and the Internet looks very inviting to a tax man.

If they start to tax the internet all that will happen is people stop using it and go back to other methods. Prior to the internet I ran a bulletin board that carried messages across the world via modem download packet networks. People will always find ways around taxes that restrict communication.

There is a few technologies starting to come about already that offer local networks. There was the occupy.here device which basically created a local private network, which originated at from offering communications at the occupy sites. John Mcafee has also talk about developing something very similar called D-Central. If they attempt to restrict access to internet comms it will just end up sending communication underground again, which would probably end up being worse for them in the long run.


There no alternatives to access the internet, a connection to a centralised carrier is necessary, the only difference is how you access what is called in telecoms 'the last or first mile' the part between you and the carrier.

D-Central is just another version of localised packet networks built on a decentralised switching algorithm, another RoofNet, and it is immaterial what form of access is used as they all suffer from the same exponential limits of learning where each access point or end node is. Consider a Skype call originating in NZ to the UK without centralised addressing to denote just where that single end point in the UK can be reached. In the purest form of decentralised networks where every end node can connect directly with every other node, each end node must have both the route and address of every other end node, the volume of data that is required to be held is massive and the rate at which it has to be updated exponential. It requires a mesh of hubs to solve the problem and a last mile connection to that hub or carrier.

Addressing is easy as each end node can be given a individual address, it is the exponential routing that is the problem. This is the primary underlying function of the Internet, that function is the IP part of TCP/IP, the Internet Protocol that allows each node within multiple networks to address another node in another network. To access it you have to access a centralised carrier who are the hubs, and when you access it you can be taxed. DNS is just a human readable index to that IP function.
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Postby id5 » Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:48 am » Internet Explorer 10 Internet Explorer 10  Windows Seven 64 bits Windows Seven 64 bits  Screen Resolution: 1920 x 1080 1920 x 1080

Does Commute Abit » Sat Oct 26, 2013 10:06 pm wrote:Interesting thread.
I wonder if the authorities, rather than block ban sites, will just monitor the usage closer.
This seems more the style of current governance - let things be as the market sets, but use league tables, monitoring, auditing etc. to motivate change. Change coming from internet providers having targets for complaints etc.


Monitor allows control, control allows taxation.
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Postby Pixel8r » Sun Oct 27, 2013 1:01 pm » Safari 6.0.5 Safari 6.0.5  Mac OS X Mac OS X  Screen Resolution: 1680 x 1050 1680 x 1050

id5 » Sun Oct 27, 2013 7:48 am wrote:Monitor allows control, control allows taxation.

Why this fascination with taxing the internet we have plenty of taxes already, there is also plenty of better targets for tax than the net. Taking away the tax advantages of BTL would be my first choice.
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Postby id5 » Sun Oct 27, 2013 1:41 pm » Internet Explorer 10 Internet Explorer 10  Windows Seven 64 bits Windows Seven 64 bits  Screen Resolution: 1920 x 1080 1920 x 1080

Pixel8r » Sun Oct 27, 2013 1:01 pm wrote:
id5 » Sun Oct 27, 2013 7:48 am wrote:Monitor allows control, control allows taxation.

Why this fascination with taxing the internet we have plenty of taxes already, there is also plenty of better targets for tax than the net. Taking away the tax advantages of BTL would be my first choice.


The title of the thread is UK Internet Restrictions, to restrict you must monitor and control, and the UK Government will not do this for nothing.

Currently the UK Internet is taxed under the TV Licensing scheme, even if you have a mobile phone capable of receiving Internet TV then you require a TV license, regardless of the historical view of an analogue tube TV. http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one/ What was TV is becoming part of the Internet and what was the TV license will become the communications license or something similar.

But the Government cannot license something that is illegal or knowingly carries illegal content without control otherwise it could be stated that they implicitly condone it, hence they need to show that they are attempting to monitor and control and we will pay the tax to fund our own control, fulfilling the circle so to speak.

That is why I am, as you put it fascinated.
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Postby Pixel8r » Sun Oct 27, 2013 10:21 pm » Safari 6.0.5 Safari 6.0.5  Mac OS X Mac OS X  Screen Resolution: 1680 x 1050 1680 x 1050

I am sure that the UK government monitors the internet already and they will be getting the ISP's to restrict access to certain sites. I think the chance of them taxing the net is zero, other than the TV license which doesn't really count as an internet tax (more a tax for BBC content). Like I mentioned above there is far better targets out there if they want to start raising taxes.
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