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Postby Down2Earth » Fri Sep 12, 2014 11:14 pm » Google Chrome 37.0.206 Google Chrome 37.0.206  Windows Seven 64 bits Windows Seven 64 bits  Screen Resolution: 1680 x 1050 1680 x 1050

So, Thursday .Scotland gets it's opportunity to become independent of the UK ........................

My personal opinion ...................

I don't like being classified as English, but, legally, that's what what I am. I'd rather be classified as 'human' but that's not how the world works .................. alas.

As I'm English, whether I like it or not, I'm part of the UK. Regardless of whether I agree with it, I contribute through my taxes to the UK economy and have an interest in where that money is spent. None of the political parties I can lend my support to in elections by way of vote represent my belief and as such I don't vote.

Thursday, next week, the people of 'Scotland' have an opportunity to vote for independence.

In some way. I envy them, but at the same time I'm no fool.

I'm reminded of this .................

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It strikes me Scotland's independence view is based on an 'old man's' viewpoint of nations and peoples - " There are no Nations, there are no Peoples ".

I wonder, as I'm a UK taxpayer ( though I 'dodge' every last tax payable £ as I can ) whether I'll get to vote (if Scotland decides to go 'independent') to allow them within the currency union or not, because, to be quite honest .............. if Scotland goes independent, f**k 'em .............. (sorry *sincere* wee jinky) ............. I ain't bailing them out if it goes wrong.

Your honest opinions?
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Postby wee Jinky » Fri Sep 12, 2014 11:42 pm » Safari 4.0 Safari 4.0  Android Android  Screen Resolution: 1280 x 800 1280 x 800

I want independence for many reasons, the least of which is because it may make us better off .
I've never felt British , I've rarely felt represented by Westminster , Thatcher showed me how the
deck is stacked when the hard times hit and theres only one way to ensure that when the bad times
come round again that history doesnt repeat. I want the people to stand up and take responsibility
for who we are and what we stand for on the international stage. For too long we have been content
to be led and then blame england for our woes, it smacks of irresponsibility and cowardice .
I dont trust Salmond to lead us to the promised land, I believe he will sell us out to Brussels which
imo is worse than Westminster but we can only deal with that issue when and if it arises.
Just now we have the double whammy of Westminster and Brussels pulling our strings .
Our own currency partially backed by gold would be my ideal but maybe thats hoping for too much.
Scotland could be very succesful or it could end up a socialist dictatorship it all depends on getting
the right people in power. I dont blame you for the f*** them attitude D2E perfectly understandable.
We have to learn to live within our means and if that means a few years of hardship then lets do it,
rather I suffer than my kids or grandkids. I havent voted even tho I am entitled, after 10 years away
and no certainty of a return I just felt it was wrong for me to impose. This decision is for those who
live in Scotland to make , I hope they have the baws to stand up and be responsible for their country.
que sera sera .
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Postby warpig » Sat Sep 13, 2014 1:41 am » Google Chrome 37.0.206 Google Chrome 37.0.206  Windows Seven 64 bits Windows Seven 64 bits  Screen Resolution: 1680 x 1050 1680 x 1050

It's a slap in the face to the English, the Welsh and the Irish and I haven't heard one compelling argument to suggest why it's a positive step for any country in the union, including Scotland. They already have the right to self determination, because they were given the right to have a referendum on leaving the union.

Personally I hope they stay, we conquered the world together, but if they go I think they'll set their country back 20 years or more. Time for Scotland to show their true colours.
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Postby wee Jinky » Sat Sep 13, 2014 9:58 am » Safari 4.0 Safari 4.0  Android Android  Screen Resolution: 1280 x 800 1280 x 800

"We conquered the world together"
There's another way of looking at the rape and pillage of other nations Wp.
I'm not proud of our actions in most of the world, it was oppressive rather
than liberating. Can you name me one country which freed itself from the
Empire that came back begging to be ruled by Brittania again?
Our actions in Ireland alone are a stain on us , and they were as close
to brothers that we had. The union flag is known as the butchers apron
for very good reason. If seperation limits Britains ability to wage illegal
war in places like Afghan, Iraq ,Libya or Syria then its long overdue.
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Postby Stun Lee and Win » Sat Sep 13, 2014 11:15 am » Google Chrome 36.0.198 Google Chrome 36.0.198  Windows Seven 64 bits Windows Seven 64 bits  Screen Resolution: 1920 x 1080 1920 x 1080

Yes, we were always taught that Britain was the honourable and benevolent ruler that lead to an increase in the prosperity of the nations it so generously governed. Not like those terrible Portuguese and Spanish in South America with their religious repression and other things. But look at the way Britain has behaved in the Middle East in the past 11 years, look at the unbelievably hypocritical actions in Ukraine. Look at the way the state tolerates and almost encourages massive scale raping of children, and then goes around lecturing other countries on human rights.

Why anyone would want to be ruled by the Westminster Warmongerers is beyond me.
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Postby Pixel8r » Sat Sep 13, 2014 12:51 pm » Firefox 32.0 Firefox 32.0  Mac OS X Mac OS X  Screen Resolution: 2560 x 1440 2560 x 1440

I am unsure about the economic outcomes for the Scots if they go independent, haven't looked to much into it. But I kind of get the feeling it won't be great for them as the BoE will make sure they end up with a large proportion of the GB debt and will probably end up having to own the RBS, which was the worst GB bank rescued in 2008 by nationalization.

At least if they do vote to go independent I will end up with a Scottish passport as well as a English one, which may have some a use. I don't think they will though.
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Postby wee Jinky » Sat Sep 13, 2014 1:05 pm » Safari 4.0 Safari 4.0  Android Android  Screen Resolution: 1280 x 800 1280 x 800

There's a massive scaremongering campaign going on now.
The no campaign is all about the possible negatives , there is
very little promotion of any positives for Scotland to remain.
We all know economic pain is on the cards regardless of the outcome.
Scotland is being lined up as the patsy to blame for it instead of the
actions of Westminster and their banking chums.
It will also diminish the international standing of the UK
From Great Britishness to little Englander at the stroke
of a pen.
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Postby headmelter » Sat Sep 13, 2014 3:53 pm » Firefox 32.0 Firefox 32.0  Windows Seven 64 bits Windows Seven 64 bits  Screen Resolution: 1366 x 768 1366 x 768

Coming from Ireland I'm always hesitant getting involved in discussions regarding independence from the UK. I maintain I am Irish and believe the Island of Ireland should be self governing. Other nationalities within the 'union' are entitled to make up their own minds. As the saying goes "You decide".... ;)
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Postby warpig » Sat Sep 13, 2014 6:50 pm » Google Chrome 37.0.206 Google Chrome 37.0.206  Windows Seven 64 bits Windows Seven 64 bits  Screen Resolution: 1680 x 1050 1680 x 1050

That's about the most negative outlook I think you could come up with. Another way to look at it was Britain civilised the world, much like the Romans civilised Britain.

wee Jinky » 13 Sep 2014 10:58 wrote:"We conquered the world together"
There's another way of looking at the rape and pillage of other nations Wp.
I'm not proud of our actions in most of the world, it was oppressive rather
than liberating. Can you name me one country which freed itself from the
Empire that came back begging to be ruled by Brittania again?
Our actions in Ireland alone are a stain on us , and they were as close
to brothers that we had. The union flag is known as the butchers apron
for very good reason. If seperation limits Britains ability to wage illegal
war in places like Afghan, Iraq ,Libya or Syria then its long overdue.
"There can be no other criterion, no other standard than gold. Yes, gold which never changes, which can be turned into ingots bars, coins, which has no nationality and which is eternally and universally accepted as the unalterable fiduciary value par excellence"

"Betting against gold is the same as betting on governments. He who bets on governments and government money, bets against 6,000 years of recorded human history."

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Postby wee Jinky » Sat Sep 13, 2014 7:33 pm » Safari 4.0 Safari 4.0  Android Android  Screen Resolution: 1280 x 800 1280 x 800

C'mon Wp, in the last decade we have helped create chaos in Afghan Iraq Libya and been responsible for
over 1 million casualties. We help extradite people secretly to torture camps in Guantanamo . Have we brought
peace or stability to any nation , we are still raping and pillaging our way round the world , creating war for profit.
We supported apartheid in Sth Africa and backed dictators like Pinochet and Saddam. Who supplied him with
the chemical weapons to fight Iran that he eventually used on the Kurds . We are poodles for the US , one of the
most barbaric and despotic regimes on earth . We dont spread a civilised doctrine anywhere, we may claim we do
but actions always speak louder than words and our actions have been barbaric .
I am proud of the way we stood against the nazis but thats it . As a nation we are hypocritical warmongerers
who align ourselves with evil if it suits our pockets and we cover up reality with jingoistic BS .
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Postby warpig » Sat Sep 13, 2014 7:48 pm » Google Chrome 37.0.206 Google Chrome 37.0.206  Windows Seven 64 bits Windows Seven 64 bits  Screen Resolution: 1680 x 1050 1680 x 1050

I was talking about the British Empire which ended in 1949.

Give me one good reason why Scotland should leave the union without relying on the term "self determination." Given you have the right to a referendum you already have self determination and with developing devolution, why else should they go and to what benefit?
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Postby warpig » Sat Sep 13, 2014 8:04 pm » Google Chrome 37.0.206 Google Chrome 37.0.206  Windows Seven 64 bits Windows Seven 64 bits  Screen Resolution: 1680 x 1050 1680 x 1050

Q7 in the image below confirms the English believe Scotland should have more powers if they vote no. That's certainly a positive.

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Postby wee Jinky » Sat Sep 13, 2014 10:14 pm » Safari 4.0 Safari 4.0  Android Android  Screen Resolution: 1280 x 800 1280 x 800

One good reason
Thatcher , never again can we allow a dictator who destroyed our industrial base and imposed
such misery on us , including using us as a trial for the hated poll tax to rule over us with zero
seats .
Ps - who changed the thread title to include the word "sniggers" :D
he who laffs last etc etc
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Postby warpig » Sat Sep 13, 2014 10:48 pm » Google Chrome 37.0.206 Google Chrome 37.0.206  Windows Seven 64 bits Windows Seven 64 bits  Screen Resolution: 1680 x 1050 1680 x 1050

Thatcher was democratically voted in to power by the whole of the UK, she wasn't a dictator. That's an urban myth. The pole tax was conceived in Scotland and Thatcher was persuaded by the Scottish Tories to implement it in Scotland first, despite her wanting to introduce it in England at the same time.

she twice spared the Ravenscraig steelworks from closure, mindful that the plant had assumed a kind of totemic significance in Scottish political culture. It was a reminder of what we once were but would no longer be.


Any other good reasons?

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Postby Pixel8r » Sun Sep 14, 2014 9:40 am » Safari 7.0.6 Safari 7.0.6  Mac OS X Mac OS X  Screen Resolution: 2560 x 1440 2560 x 1440

wee Jinky » Sat Sep 13, 2014 11:14 pm wrote:Ps - who changed the thread title to include the word "sniggers" :D
he who laffs last etc etc

Me, I noticed it had got picked up by the censor code because it include a derogatory reference to black people.
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Postby wee Jinky » Sun Sep 14, 2014 12:14 pm » Safari 4.0 Safari 4.0  Android Android  Screen Resolution: 1280 x 800 1280 x 800

Thatcher was an evil woman who punished Scotland for rejecting her greed is good message
She had less than 10% support in Scotland yet we had to suffer tory rule for 18 years even tho
she had just 1 seat at the end of her reign.That to me is a dictatorship.
She also denied us devolution when despite a majority vote for ,she demanded 50% of the total
electorate had to vote yes.that is ignoring the democratic will of the people ie: dictatorship
Another good reason
So our men and women are not sent to fight illegal wars on behalf of the American Empire.
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Postby wee Jinky » Sun Sep 14, 2014 3:50 pm » Safari 4.0 Safari 4.0  Android Android  Screen Resolution: 1280 x 800 1280 x 800

Three parties all saying a narrow Yes vote might mean no independence. They'll fight Scots in the courts to keep them in the Union...

And so it begins, democracy ignored , dictatorship imposed.
And people wonder why we want our freedom
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Postby warpig » Sun Sep 14, 2014 4:19 pm » Google Chrome 37.0.206 Google Chrome 37.0.206  Windows Seven 64 bits Windows Seven 64 bits  Screen Resolution: 1680 x 1050 1680 x 1050

It's in the British interest Scotland go, because at least then we won't have to suffer the another ruinous rule of the Labour party that Scotland inflicted on England. Just because I don't support them, doesn't make Blair or Brown dictators. Still the majority of England would still gladly suffer that, than see Scotland go.

Seems to me the drive for independence is really about sticking it to the English. Seems like sovereign self harming to me.
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Postby wee Jinky » Sun Sep 14, 2014 4:34 pm » Safari 4.0 Safari 4.0  Android Android  Screen Resolution: 1280 x 800 1280 x 800

Its got nothing to do with anti Englishness its
all about being our own country making our own rules
and taking the decisions that affect our own people.
The no campaign is getting desperate , it's resorting to
bribery then threats , being pro Scottish does not equate
to anti english , if thats all it was about I would reject it
completely and so would the majority.
The queen has now come out and politicised matters
by telling the people to think very carefully. I think she
has overstepped her remit , we are not voting on the crown.
I think England is more worried about losing their "great" britain
label and having their influence on the world stage diminished .
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Postby warpig » Sun Sep 14, 2014 5:32 pm » Google Chrome 37.0.206 Google Chrome 37.0.206  Windows Seven 64 bits Windows Seven 64 bits  Screen Resolution: 1680 x 1050 1680 x 1050

The "Great" in "Great Britain" is homophone, it is not a synonym for considerable, substantial, pronounced, sizeable, significant, appreciable, serious, exceptional, inordinate, extraordinary or special.

Scotland already is it's own country and you already make your own rules, just not all of them. That's what happens in a regional/political union, not all the rules are specific to one country. As I said above, if it wasn't for Scotland, it's possible Labour wouldn't have ruined England with 13 years of socialism that led us in to this crisis. Did England demand a referendum because we were being ruled by the preference of another country in the union? No.

What's pissing me off, is the Scottish think we want them to stay in the union because we want something from them, we want you to stay because we consider you family. If Scotland vote no, perhaps the English, Irish and Welsh should have a referendum on whether we should kick Scotland out of the Union for disloyalty.
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