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Postby joebialek » Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:35 pm » Mozilla Mozilla  Windows Seven 64 bits Windows Seven 64 bits  Screen Resolution: 1920 x 1080 1920 x 1080

This letter is in response to the articles covering the Scottish referendum vote for independence from the United Kingdom of Great Britain.

As a citizen of and believer in democracy, I applaud the efforts of the Scots. Their efforts are similar to what is happening in many other parts of the world.


Believe it or not, one thing that trumps capitalism and political correctness in the United States is the right to have one's voice heard. This is the foundation of which our democracy is built on. The Scots should continue to defy the United Kingdom’s powerful influence so that Scottish democracy can begin to thrive. It is unfortunate that the United States compromised on one of its most fundamental values in order to protect its economic interests in the United Kingdom; something that happens all too often domestically as well. It is not the Scots that are attempting to seize power but rather their independence; it is however those currently in power who have engaged in intimidation to prevent the will of the people from being heard. Why else would they stoop to such underhanded tactics to block various means of communication among the citizens of Scotland?


United Kingdom of Great Britain, you have had over three hundred years to help Scotland and have failed them by your own choosing. The days of the despotic regime are finally coming to an end as it appears the desire for freedom will continue to sweep among the Welsh. Accordingly, let the call go forth among all citizens of Scotland that your brothers and sisters of democracy from all over the world are with you during every trial and tribulation you may encounter during this crisis. To the people of Scotland, the trumpet of freedom beckons you to exercise your suffrage and ensure your vote to preserve your sacred heritage, promote your children's future and obtain the blessings of liberty we all cherish.

Scotland, the hour of your redemption is at hand. As you the rightful citizens move forward to reclaim your own country, rise and vote! In the name of those who were murdered fighting for everyone's rights, rise and vote! To end the rule of this regime, rise and vote! Let no one continue to fear. Let every Scot be strong and push on for their freedom. Rise and vote!

United Kingdom of Britain, let the Scottish people go!

JOE BIALEK
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Re: Independence

Postby warpig » Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:43 pm » Google Chrome 37.0.206 Google Chrome 37.0.206  Windows Seven 64 bits Windows Seven 64 bits  Screen Resolution: 1680 x 1050 1680 x 1050

I think you've been reading too many conspiracy forums, you've got it all wrong.

Anything slightly underhand has been met by the other side, with something equally underhand. That's politics for you. Downplaying the opposition, misquoting what they say, misrepresenting what they mean, ad hominem attacks, promoting your view over the opposition. Why would you expect anything else in a political debate? The fact they were given permission to have a referendum, means they clearly have a democratic process and the right to self determination. There's no oppression!!!

I keep hearing constant reports of banners showing the NO vote IN Scotland are torn down as soon as they go up and certainly in parts of Scotland, people are too afraid to support the NO campaign as stones are thrown through windows and they're worried that displaying a "better together" car sticker, will probably mean their car is damaged. So which side isn't playing fair? To call it a regime is farcical, you have no idea what you're talking about, that comment is so outlandish, it's utter nonsense. If it was a regime half the Scottish people wouldn't want to remain in the UK, would they? Suffrage? Really I think you're too far away to understand what life is like in the UK and more specifically what's happening.

The GDP of Scotland is tiny, it's 1/10th of Englands, but that's because they have 1/10th amount of people. If you think we need their money you're wrong, they cost as much as they earn. They have free university in Scotland which is something we don't have in England. The English, Welsh and Irish must be subsidising Scottish education, so personally I'd rather my son had that luxury, not someone from another country. Yet still I'd rather they didn't go because I consider them brothers, not servants to the English, Welsh or Irish. If you think we're after the oil, there isn't very much left, they can have it.

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The British Empire died 70 years ago, I think you need to bring yourself up to date and using Braveheart as supporting evidence means your information is hundreds of years old...
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Re: Independence

Postby Pixel8r » Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:51 pm » Safari 7.0.6 Safari 7.0.6  Mac OS X Mac OS X  Screen Resolution: 2560 x 1440 2560 x 1440

This scene from braveheart could be more apt...

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Re: Independence

Postby Laura » Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:05 pm » Google Chrome 33.0.175 Google Chrome 33.0.175  Windows Seven Windows Seven  Screen Resolution: 1280 x 800 1280 x 800

I have read enough drivel about Scotland from north americans on Zh recently.
Now it has arrived here!

They watch that zionist tripe 'Braveheart', & suddenly they are historians :roll:


EDIT: Pix, you are way ahead of me
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Re: Independence

Postby wee Jinky » Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:06 pm » Safari 4.0 Safari 4.0  Android Android  Screen Resolution: 1280 x 800 1280 x 800

Gaun yersel Joe :clap:
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Re: Independence

Postby warpig » Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:07 pm » Google Chrome 37.0.206 Google Chrome 37.0.206  Windows Seven 64 bits Windows Seven 64 bits  Screen Resolution: 1680 x 1050 1680 x 1050

I've yet to hear a compelling, reasoned, balanced and logical argument, that explains why this is a good idea from anyone's perspective. It seems to be largely based on the sentiment of a sh*t, historically inaccurate film which was fronted by an American actor who hates Jews. Compelling...
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Re: Independence

Postby warpig » Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:12 pm » Google Chrome 37.0.206 Google Chrome 37.0.206  Windows Seven 64 bits Windows Seven 64 bits  Screen Resolution: 1680 x 1050 1680 x 1050

I should add I'm Scottish by blood and English based on my place of birth.
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Re: Independence

Postby wee Jinky » Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:13 pm » Safari 4.0 Safari 4.0  Android Android  Screen Resolution: 1280 x 800 1280 x 800

We are fed up with being subsidy junkies Wp, it's unfair on the English to continue to pay for our Buckfast and fried pizzas
we have to live within our means and free you from carrying us through life :D
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Postby Pixel8r » Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:21 pm » Safari 7.0.6 Safari 7.0.6  Mac OS X Mac OS X  Screen Resolution: 2560 x 1440 2560 x 1440

Scotland is a great country, but I seriously think that they will end up regretting it if they chose to go it alone. I think we are better together, we are all f*cked anyway but strength in numbers and all that.

I kind of think a lot of the problems the country is now in are the fault of one particular Scott, Gordon Brown.

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Re: Independence

Postby warpig » Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:24 pm » Google Chrome 37.0.206 Google Chrome 37.0.206  Windows Seven 64 bits Windows Seven 64 bits  Screen Resolution: 1680 x 1050 1680 x 1050

The only logical conclusion that makes any sense, is some Scottish people have a deep historical resentment towards the English.
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Postby Laura » Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:27 pm » Google Chrome 33.0.175 Google Chrome 33.0.175  Windows Seven Windows Seven  Screen Resolution: 1280 x 800 1280 x 800

^^ Not forgetting that other puppet named Blair.

& Scotland wants its share of the UK gold :lol: - ask the squid, via that Brown thing
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Re: Independence

Postby Laura » Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:30 pm » Google Chrome 33.0.175 Google Chrome 33.0.175  Windows Seven Windows Seven  Screen Resolution: 1280 x 800 1280 x 800

warpig » Mon Sep 15, 2014 11:24 pm wrote:The only logical conclusion that makes any sense, is some Scottish people have a deep historical resentment towards the English.


It's their default setting Wp.
No point asking them why they have it because that would terminally confuse them.
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Postby Pixel8r » Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:31 pm » Safari 7.0.6 Safari 7.0.6  Mac OS X Mac OS X  Screen Resolution: 2560 x 1440 2560 x 1440

warpig » Mon Sep 15, 2014 11:12 pm wrote:I should add I'm Scottish by blood and English based on my place of birth.

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Re: Independence

Postby warpig » Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:40 pm » Google Chrome 37.0.206 Google Chrome 37.0.206  Windows Seven 64 bits Windows Seven 64 bits  Screen Resolution: 1680 x 1050 1680 x 1050

It's interesting you didn't mention the Welsh or the Irish.

wee Jinky » 15 Sep 2014 23:13 wrote:We are fed up with being subsidy junkies Wp, it's unfair on the English to continue to pay for our Buckfast and fried pizzas
we have to live within our means and free you from carrying us through life :D
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Postby wee Jinky » Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:46 pm » Safari 4.0 Safari 4.0  Android Android  Screen Resolution: 1280 x 800 1280 x 800

This has nothing to do with anti English sentiment.
If England amalgamated with europe could you understand
not wanting to be the united states of europe ruled from Bruxelles
under 1 flag as one nation?
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Re: Independence

Postby Laura » Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:56 pm » Google Chrome 33.0.175 Google Chrome 33.0.175  Windows Seven Windows Seven  Screen Resolution: 1280 x 800 1280 x 800

wee Jinky » Mon Sep 15, 2014 11:46 pm wrote:This has nothing to do with anti English sentiment.


It shouldn't be, but for many, it unfortunately is.
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Re: Independence

Postby warpig » Mon Sep 15, 2014 11:04 pm » Google Chrome 37.0.206 Google Chrome 37.0.206  Windows Seven 64 bits Windows Seven 64 bits  Screen Resolution: 1680 x 1050 1680 x 1050

What a shame.

Laura » 15 Sep 2014 23:30 wrote:It's their default setting Wp.
No point asking them why they have it because that would terminally confuse them.
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Postby wee Jinky » Mon Sep 15, 2014 11:06 pm » Safari 4.0 Safari 4.0  Android Android  Screen Resolution: 1280 x 800 1280 x 800

If it is thats an issue for them not for me
how many ukip voters are attracted not by independence from europe
but by xenophobia?
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Re: Independence

Postby warpig » Mon Sep 15, 2014 11:11 pm » Google Chrome 37.0.206 Google Chrome 37.0.206  Windows Seven 64 bits Windows Seven 64 bits  Screen Resolution: 1680 x 1050 1680 x 1050

What a strange thing to say, because that's exactly what Scotland's going to do. Scotland will just become just another eurozone member state, being drained of all resources and sovereignty. If that's your view of independence, then all you've really done is confirmed my fears.

wee Jinky » 15 Sep 2014 23:46 wrote:This has nothing to do with anti English sentiment.
If England amalgamated with europe could you understand
not wanting to be the united states of europe ruled from Bruxelles
under 1 flag as one nation?
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Re: Independence

Postby headmelter » Mon Sep 15, 2014 11:18 pm » Firefox 32.0 Firefox 32.0  Windows Seven 64 bits Windows Seven 64 bits  Screen Resolution: 1366 x 768 1366 x 768

[quote="warpig » Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:40 pm"]It's interesting you didn't mention the Welsh or the Irish.

If you hadn't noticed the Irish have been fighting for independence on and off for 700 years... :eh:
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