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Re: Detecting Fake PM's

Postby triple-agent » Fri Mar 15, 2013 11:36 am » Firefox 19.0 Firefox 19.0  Windows Vista Windows Vista  Screen Resolution: 1280 x 1024 1280 x 1024

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I have knowingly purchased about 15 various layered bars and coins as a decoy stash that are "hidden" in my sock drawer. They were all acquired for about £2.00 each and I consider them a good investment.

With regards to the 10 x Pan American bars in the link above, I'm not sure why anyone would pay £56.00 for this auction. It seems unlikely that a bidder wouldn't read the description and it seems rather expensive for a decoy stash, I think it more likely that the bidders are looking to purchase these with the intention of selling them as genuine in the future (maybe during a possible mania phase :pray: when the herd are clamouring for silver).



i think the seller is preying on the ignorant/uninformed/stupid* to a degree here; for the ebay mobile bidder who doesn't click on the description link and just reads the title and looks at the pic, for instance.

also, i think the phrase: 'One troy ounce (1oz), .999 fine silver, Pan American Silver Corp -Layered Bar.' is a bit naughty

but as you say, at £2 each they're worthwhile for decoys


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Re: Detecting Fake PM's

Postby triple-agent » Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:40 am » Safari Mobile 4.0 Safari Mobile 4.0  Android Android  Screen Resolution: 480 x 854 480 x 854

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Re: Detecting Fake PM's

Postby id5 » Sat Mar 16, 2013 1:08 pm » Internet Explorer 9 Internet Explorer 9  Windows Seven 64 bits Windows Seven 64 bits  Screen Resolution: 2025 x 1139 2025 x 1139

triple-agent wrote:http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Goloid-100-cents-1878-r-USA-/121072891882?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_212&hash=item1c3081b7ea&nma=true&si=TN22Zkr6LNyyivoVPO%252BNAUZ00%252Fs%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Better than some, at least the seller says that he thinks it is a fake.
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Re: Detecting Fake PM's

Postby triple-agent » Sat Mar 16, 2013 1:28 pm » Firefox 19.0 Firefox 19.0  Windows XP Windows XP  Screen Resolution: 1024 x 600 1024 x 600

id5 wrote:
triple-agent wrote:http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Goloid-100-cents-1878-r-USA-/121072891882?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_212&hash=item1c3081b7ea&nma=true&si=TN22Zkr6LNyyivoVPO%252BNAUZ00%252Fs%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Better than some, at least the seller says that he thinks it is a fake.


True. Whenever I come across a fake on ebay, I log it here now.

Got a fake morgan dollar the other day, weighed 17g as opposed to 26.7
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Re: Detecting Fake PM's

Postby id5 » Sun Mar 17, 2013 8:04 am » Internet Explorer 9 Internet Explorer 9  Windows Seven 64 bits Windows Seven 64 bits  Screen Resolution: 2025 x 1139 2025 x 1139

triple-agent wrote:
Got a fake morgan dollar the other day, weighed 17g as opposed to 26.7


I think have always been overly cautious with eBay because I have received a couple of fakes and been the victim of a scam over the last 5 years, in all I have lost about £230 but I have also made more than that in cheap purchases although most of those were a few years ago before people cottoned on that cheap metals and jewels could be found there.

What do you think the percentage of eBay fake vs real is?
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Re: Detecting Fake PM's

Postby triple-agent » Sun Mar 17, 2013 10:52 am » Firefox 19.0 Firefox 19.0  Windows Vista Windows Vista  Screen Resolution: 1173 x 939 1173 x 939

id5 wrote:
triple-agent wrote:
Got a fake morgan dollar the other day, weighed 17g as opposed to 26.7


I think have always been overly cautious with eBay because I have received a couple of fakes and been the victim of a scam over the last 5 years, in all I have lost about £230 but I have also made more than that in cheap purchases although most of those were a few years ago before people cottoned on that cheap metals and jewels could be found there.

What do you think the percentage of eBay fake vs real is?


no idea on the % ratio tbh, i tend to buy lots where the coins are rarely worth faking

however, having said that, i tend to avoid Chinese 'silver' coins and coins that look to good to be true:

eg. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/171000869803

my pet hate is the mish mash descriptions used in these silver copy bullion bars:

eg. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/380600433406

PAN AMERICAN SILVER CORP BULLION BAR

1 TROY OUNCE

PURITY - 999 SILVER LAYERED
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Postby triple-agent » Sun Mar 17, 2013 2:31 pm » Safari Mobile 4.0 Safari Mobile 4.0  Android Android  Screen Resolution: 480 x 854 480 x 854

90 quid!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-Umicore-Bul ... 1083513549

they even left good feedback as well! :crazy:
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Re: Detecting Fake PM's

Postby triple-agent » Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:54 pm » Safari Mobile 4.0 Safari Mobile 4.0  Android Android  Screen Resolution: 480 x 854 480 x 854

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Re: Detecting Fake PM's

Postby Pixel8r » Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:56 am » Safari 6.0.3 Safari 6.0.3  Mac OS X Mac OS X  Screen Resolution: 1680 x 1050 1680 x 1050


Why would anyone bid £9.50 for a layered US coin? :crazy:
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Re: Detecting Fake PM's

Postby Pixel8r » Wed May 01, 2013 7:21 pm » Safari 6.0.3 Safari 6.0.3  Mac OS X Mac OS X  Screen Resolution: 1680 x 1050 1680 x 1050

Watch on youtube.com
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Re: Detecting Fake PM's

Postby triple-agent » Wed Oct 16, 2013 5:27 pm » Firefox 24.0 Firefox 24.0  Windows Seven 64 bits Windows Seven 64 bits  

all fake

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/xraix4401/m.h ... ksid=p3692

checkout the shop link on ebay page
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Postby Pixel8r » Wed Oct 16, 2013 6:17 pm » Safari 6.0.5 Safari 6.0.5  Mac OS X Mac OS X  Screen Resolution: 1680 x 1050 1680 x 1050


They are the worst looking fakes that I have seen on eBay, why anyone would be stupid enough to bid on them is beyond me.
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Re: Detecting Fake PM's

Postby triple-agent » Wed Oct 16, 2013 6:56 pm » Firefox 24.0 Firefox 24.0  Windows XP Windows XP  Screen Resolution: 1024 x 600 1024 x 600

Pixel8r » Wed Oct 16, 2013 6:17 pm wrote:

They are the worst looking fakes that I have seen on eBay, why anyone would be stupid enough to bid on them is beyond me.


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