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Postby Hooloovoo » Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:13 pm

On request from Laura I have started this topic about how after Politicians become corrupt and bleed the people dry by using taxes to keep inefficient - but politically connected - industries alive (Wall Street anyone?)
a strong police force / military is needed to keep the populace under control.

History shows that this just bleeds the country even more (sometimes literally :shock: ) and this increasingly more powerful Praetorian Guard will become more politically powerful and have laws passed in its favor (Patriot Act?).
In the beginning the Praetorian Guard is a tool for the ruling political class but later it becomes more powerful than the political class itself - whom it was originally intended to serve, as this short quote from the Roman Empire shows:

Reason why the Roman Empire fell - Political Corruption and the Praetorian Guard
The power of the Praetorian Guard, the elite bodyguards of the emperor, led to political corruption and grew to such an extent that this massive troop of soldiers decided on whether an emperor should be disposed of and who should become the new emperor! The story of Sejanus, who was the commander of the Praetorian Guard during the reign of Tiberius, illustrates the extent of their power. At one point the Praetorian Guard sold at auction the throne of the world to the highest bidder.


The article I think Laura referred to in her request for starting this topic is linked below:
http://www.caseyresearch.com/cdd/rise-praetorian-class
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Re: The rise of the Praetorian Class

Postby Laura » Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:08 am

Thxs Hooloovoo. I wonder how many realise the deep significance of your handle.

This is embarrassing.
I had this inspired moment last night. In it I had tied up the soul level of the Praetorians; why the cycle keeps on repeating; parallel time frames; the potential for a shift in consciousness.
Yep, the complete bonkers fringe-worthy stuff.
It was a couple of paragraphs in the Casey article that started it.
After Hooloovoo started the thread I remembered I still could not paste the relevant bits!
Then the clarity vanished.
So my sincere apologies guys for the delay.
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Re: The rise of the Praetorian Class

Postby Hooloovoo » Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:50 pm

Laura wrote:I had this inspired moment last night. In it I had tied up the soul level of the Praetorians; why the cycle keeps on repeating; parallel time frames; the potential for a shift in consciousness.
Yep, the complete bonkers fringe-worthy stuff.
It was a couple of paragraphs in the Casey article that started it.
After Hooloovoo started the thread I remembered I still could not paste the relevant bits!
Then the clarity vanished.
So my sincere apologies guys for the delay.
Feeling it is one thing, getting onto a page is quite another


Ain't that the truth - I know the feeling of reading something unrelated, and suddenly to see a sentence that somehow connects to something completely different in your brain - suddenly there is an impression that one has discovered something very important or something that didn't make sense before suddenly seems to almost make sense and one is so close to the big picture that one can touch it - and as soon as trying to put it down in words it either vanishes or is no where near what one felt or intended.

I had such sensations when I did my home education on Austrian Economics - that suddenly the economic mess we are in made perfectly sense.
I tried to write it down into a book that I distributed among my friends, collegues and family.
The only ones who bothered to read my book where a few of my collegues - and only 1 person liked it and took notice (and bought PM's).
So much work to save one person - but I guess most people here have tried the frustration of trying to get others to see the big picture.
And still when the collapse comes us Gold Bugs will be branded as selfish - eventhough most of us tried to warn people in our social circle beforehand.

Anyway, back on topic.

It sounds mightily interesting what You had planned Laura, and dare I add - very ambitious without means to cut and paste.

I went through the article again as I think it is important, and maybe a lot of people just couldn't be bothered to follow the link, so I have pasted what I consider to be the main points of the article below.

Furthermore I have even made it Kindle friendly by putting a number on each paragraph I have pasted - the idea here being that if one of the paragraphs I have pasted by some sheer luck is one of those You had in mind - then You can just refer to it as "number 7" in a future Kindle post, and then people can scroll up to this post to get an idea of what da f**k a "number 7" is ;)


1
Over the years, the scale of the intrusions of the Political Class into economies around the world, and very definitely here in the United States, has grown to the point where truly free markets are now the exception and not the norm.
This gives rise to dislocations in the free exchange of goods and services as well as widespread misallocations of capital as businesses adjust their practices based not on the normal mechanics of supply and demand but rather based on the dictates of the Political Class.


2
The Political Class employs force to achieve its objectives
From the US military’s role in protecting the Political Class’s global interests and the IRS keeping the Treasury full, to the FDA serving “Big Pharma” and various law enforcement agencies maintaining a low-level chronic fear in the populace, the level of physical control that the Political Class needs to extend over productive resources is staggering. The main mission of the Praetorian Class is to keep the order of the day. This requires displaying an intimidating presence in their interactions with the Economic Class - Whether driving on roads, traveling in the air, visiting public land, walking down the street or even living in your own home, every action you take is predicated on its permission.


3
By preconditioning the populace to enforcement of its edicts, most of which are completely arbitrary, the Praetorian Class sets itself up for a high degree of autonomy in its actions. This is confirmed by the fact that consequences for malfeasance within the Praetorian Class are almost never observed, and when it happens, it typically becomes a grotesque spectacle in which one of their own is sacrificed as an example, so as to keep appearances of effective internal controls.


4
Members of the Praetorian Class are typically recruited from the Economic Class and usually from the lower socio-economic spectrum, which offers them an opportunity for personal and professional gain that otherwise might be out of their reach.
As they serve in their martial role, members of the Praetorian Class learn to despise members of the Political Class and to view the plight of the Economic Class with detachment or even contempt.
Naturally, as the members of the Praetorian Class socially distance themselves from both their origins and their masters, even though they are paid to do their bidding, a new group identity among them emerges. Adoption of this group identity, forged by the training, indoctrination and work, defines membership in the Praetorian Class.


5
History does not keep a flattering record of societies that allowed the Praetorian Class to rise.
As the Political Class increasingly calls upon the Praetorian Class to ensure their order, however, their martial nature becomes more visible in the fabric of day-to-day life.
While the Praetorian Class emerges as its own entity, with allegiance only to the members' peers, the most senior of the Praetorians are eventually invited to join the Political Class.
As the influence of the Praetorian Class grows, so do the resources it consumes.


6
Perhaps less obvious is the need to constantly keep the Praetorian Class on the march. A bored Praetorian is a dangerous creature that will start looking for things to do. In order to keep the Praetorian Class engaged, they must be fed a continuous source of adversaries that they in turn actively engage.
The continuous drain on productive resources, continuous warfare against new foes, abrogation of human rights and liberties and a pervasive culture of fear inevitably send the society into a tail spin. Some societies are able to observe the retreat of the Praetorian Class, but it is usually a function of economic necessity and often after a great price has been paid by the general population.


7
Consider the escalating threat propaganda. Leading up to the war with Iraq in 2003, a common justification heard was “We gotta fight them there, so we don’t have to fight them here.” Apparently that strategy didn’t work, since the 2012 National Defense Authorization Act declared the United States part of the global battlefield.


8
Is it the increasing monitoring and control exerted over the media, including the subpoena and detention of free-speech activists?
Or perhaps it is the tortuous argument that the private minting of silver coins bearing no resemblance to US legal tender currency represents domestic terrorism.  
The emergence and rise of the Praetorian Class is a common observation in societies that have transitioned from market-based meritocracies to societies governed by coercive syndicates formed by the Political Class. The Praetorian Class is formed and grown to defend the Political Class and in time becomes the dragon that rules its master. It represents a highly disturbing trend because it foretells the decline, not the advance, of a society. In some instances, the decline is peaceful, clearing the path for an improved future. Unfortunately, in many instances that is not the case. The Political Class leverages the full force of the Praetorian Class representing significant loss in wealth, personal freedom and, in many cases, human life. For this reason, it is critical that productive members of society take steps to protect themselves.





So basically according to this article we can expect to see a Praetorian class that gets stronger and better equipped while politicians pass laws that serves the praetorian class at the cost of civil liberties.

After a while the Praetorian class will only identify with itself and will regard the economic class with distrust and contempt.

So are there any evidence of the Praetorian class getting to much control?
Well quite clearly one only has to pass through an american airport to get a sense of that, and there is talk to expand searches to include not just airports but also rail stations and bus stations - plus in some states police can search your house without a warrent, and as most people here know (hopefully not from experience :D ) American citizens can legally be assasinated if they are deemed to be a threat.

So yes I would say that this class is getting more powerfull

What about increasing contempt from the Praetorians against the economic class that creates all the wealth in the society - where the Praetorians and Political class are merely parasites.
Is there any proof that the police forces, as they get more powerfull and can pretty much do what they want, loose respect for normal people and regard them with contempt?
Well if one Googles for videos on Police violence it becomes quite obvious that it is widespread.
Just for demonstration I included two videos here that show that the law is above the law:

Watch on youtube.com


The officers involved were sent on leave with full salary - so basically a paid vacation, but then again - they did investigate themselves and found that they had done nothing wrong.

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This next video is just inexcusable:
Watch on youtube.com


There are tons of these videos - I wonder how long before it will be unlawful to show on television?

So clearly some contempt from the Praetorian class does exist.
So far I don't see that they despise the Political class though - but maybe that will come as Politicans take away more and more civil liberties.
However horrible it would be if the Praetorians got to call the shots (literally speaking) in society, at least some politicians would get to feel the results of their own bad karma.

That would then be another case to be filed under "unintended consequences, because we can't be arsed to learn from history".

-and somehow this resume ended up being longer than the article 8-)
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Re: The rise of the Praetorian Class

Postby Laura » Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:47 am

HLV, you are amazing; & you have a PM.

My excuse for the next 8 days is Burns night preparations.
Followed by Burns night recovery time.
Your patience is appreciated :)
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Re: The rise of the Praetorian Class

Postby d2thdr » Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:39 am

Hooloovoo wrote:I went through the article again as I think it is important, and maybe a lot of people just couldn't be bothered to follow the link, so I have pasted what I consider to be the main points of the article below.



Thank you for taking time to put the relevant bits for consumption. There is so much to read but there is so little time. Bah! Some day in the future there will be enough time for all the reading.

One of my cousin is a follower of a movement called 'PROUT'. I think its a cult than a movement. They have good intentions but I personally do not subscribe to the overall theory.

PROUT

During the 20th Century, Marxism and capitalism were the contending economic theories and the world was almost engulfed by a Third World War due to this struggle.
But, the collapse of the Soviet Union and the other communist bloc governments laid the way for the triumph of capitalism. Today, however, half of the world’s population lives on two dollars a day or less, and the developed countries are in an economic recession that is reminiscent of the Great Depression of the 1930s. Once again, people are asking, “Is there an alternative to capitalism?”

In 1959, PR Sarkar, an Indian philosopher, answered this question when he presented the Progressive Utilization Theory (known by the acronym, PROUT). PROUT is an economic theory that addresses the defects of both capitalism and Marxism and offers the promise of a new economic order in which the world’s resources will be distributed in an equitable and rational fashion.

We can understand PROUT by looking at six essential features of this new socio-economic system:

1. Spirituality-Both capitalism and Marxism are materialist philosophies with a worldview that gives little (in the case of capitalism) or no importance to spirituality. PROUT on the other hand, is founded on a spiritual outlook.
2. A “Floor and a Ceiling”- Welfare economists have always emphasised that the minimum necessities of life should be provided for everyone in a properly structured society. Efforts to make a minimum wage or to provide various kinds of welfare systems to help impoverished people are all part of this concern.
3.Economic Democracy:The PROUT system would establish the co-operative as the most important business form. Most enterprises, except the very large key industries and very small businesses, would be organised as co-operatives.
4.Economic Reorganisation (Decentralised Economy, Balanced Economy and Regional Economic Self Sufficiency)-If we want to bring about the economic well being of all of the people, then we must also make sure that some geographic areas are not depressed while other areas are thriving. The best way to bring about economic development and prosperity for everyone is to decentralise the economy, develop all sectors of the economy and to strive for regional economic self-sufficiency.
5. Moral Leadership -The only way out of present economic and political problems is to elevate the moral standard of our society. If people are properly educated, conscious of their social and economic responsibilities and moral, then democracy can thrive and moral leadership will come to the fore. The hope of the future will rest on the shoulders of men and women who will enter public office with the spirit of service and sacrifice rather than for the selfish purpose of lining their own pockets or enhancing their prestige.
6. Global Governance-In the first phase, the world body would only be able to frame laws and administration would be in the hands of governments of the individual countries. In a later stage, the world government would also have administrative authority and a world militia at its disposal. In the past, world government was considered a utopian dream, but in the near future, it will become a necessity.


Its utopian dream. I do not think it would ever materialise. Too many vested interests and agendas competing with each other. A grand theory of induction does not subscribe to the concept of global governance, welfare state.

This theory subscribes to the changes in the governing classes with the current class of acquirers to be overthrown by common man who will be eventually overthrown by military class who will be ultimately overthrown by the intellectual class who later will be overthrown by the acquirers again.

I do not subscribe to this. However, I thought it was an interesting sidebar to the praetorian class debate.
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Re: The rise of the Praetorian Class

Postby Hooloovoo » Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:55 am

Interesting d2thdr, I never heard about PROUT before.

From Your descreption it sounds a bit like the "Scandinavian Solution" with a kind of socialist capitalism.
I believe co-operatives are quite common there.
The success of such an approach rises and falls with honest polititians - which in most countries is an oxymoron :lolno:
And even then governments always screws up.
Hence I do find the call for a One World Government scary :shock: - for that reason alone I would never join the movement.

Basically I just believe that most of our troubles comes from our debt-based system that requires perpetual growth.


Funny thing is that when I wrote these comments I tried to look op co-operatives in Wikipedia just to make sure that it was what I thought - and what do you know, I got this message that fits perfectly in with this thread:

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Just try to access Wikipedia in English and You will get the same message.

So basically the Political Class is looking to extend its control over the internet :shock:
That will likely require a new Praetorian agency or sub-department as well as some draconian penalties for violating whatever rules they decide upon.

So far we are still on schedule then, with Politicians grabbing more control and in the process necessarily enlarging the Praetorian Class :thumbdown:
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Re: The rise of the Praetorian Class

Postby d2thdr » Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:41 pm

Unfortunately for the Praetorian Class and fortunately for us, the economy is in total turmoil and will the expected death of Fiat as a Store of Value, the apparent control will be very short lived.

I cant wait to see how the future unfolds. It is going to be one interesting ride.
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Re: The rise of the Praetorian Class

Postby fwiw » Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:19 pm

I'm still here - reading more than posting!

Here's a quote I like:
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Re: The rise of the Praetorian Class

Postby Hooloovoo » Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:17 pm

Hooloovoo wrote:
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Just in connection with this, the law has been postponed - for now:

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and thepiratebay made a wonderful press relase on the subject:
https://static.thepiratebay.org/legal/sopa.txt

and here is the main point from the press release:

Because of Edisons patents for the motion pictures it was close to financially impossible to create motion pictures in the North american east coast. The movie studios therefor relocated to California, and founded what we today call Hollywood. The reason was mostly because there was no patent.

There was also no copyright to speak of, so the studios could copy old stories and make movies out of them – like Fantasia, one of Disneys biggest hits ever.

So, the whole basis of this industry, that today is screaming about losing control over immaterial rights, is that they circumvented immaterial rights. They copied (or put in their terminology: "stole") other peoples creative works, without paying for it.

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Re: The rise of the Praetorian Class

Postby d2thdr » Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:43 pm

Hooloovoo wrote:and thepiratebay made a wonderful press relase on the subject:
https://static.thepiratebay.org/legal/sopa.txt

and here is the main point from the press release:

Because of Edisons patents for the motion pictures it was close to financially impossible to create motion pictures in the North american east coast. The movie studios therefor relocated to California, and founded what we today call Hollywood. The reason was mostly because there was no patent.

There was also no copyright to speak of, so the studios could copy old stories and make movies out of them – like Fantasia, one of Disneys biggest hits ever.

So, the whole basis of this industry, that today is screaming about losing control over immaterial rights, is that they circumvented immaterial rights. They copied (or put in their terminology: "stole") other peoples creative works, without paying for it.

:thumbup:


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Re: The rise of the Praetorian Class

Postby Garincho » Fri Jan 08, 2016 2:00 pm » Google Chrome 46.0.249 Google Chrome 46.0.249  Windows Seven 64 bits Windows Seven 64 bits  Screen Resolution: 1680 x 1050 1680 x 1050

Laura » Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:08 am wrote:Thxs Hooloovoo. I wonder how many realise the deep significance of your handle.

This is embarrassing.
I had this inspired moment last night. In it I had tied up the soul level of the Praetorians; why the cycle keeps on repeating; parallel time frames; the potential for a shift in consciousness.
Yep, the complete bonkers fringe-worthy stuff.
It was a couple of paragraphs in the Casey article that started it.
After Hooloovoo started the thread I remembered I still could not paste the relevant bits!
Then the clarity vanished.
So my sincere apologies guys for the delay.
Feeling it is one thing, getting onto a page is quite another


What sites/books do you recommend for looking into topics like this, the nature of reality etc.
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Re: The rise of the Praetorian Class

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Garincho » Fri Jan 08, 2016 2:00 pm wrote:
Laura » Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:08 am wrote:Thxs Hooloovoo. I wonder how many realise the deep significance of your handle.

This is embarrassing.
I had this inspired moment last night. In it I had tied up the soul level of the Praetorians; why the cycle keeps on repeating; parallel time frames; the potential for a shift in consciousness.
Yep, the complete bonkers fringe-worthy stuff.
It was a couple of paragraphs in the Casey article that started it.
After Hooloovoo started the thread I remembered I still could not paste the relevant bits!
Then the clarity vanished.
So my sincere apologies guys for the delay.
Feeling it is one thing, getting onto a page is quite another


What sites/books do you recommend for looking into topics like this, the nature of reality etc.

We haven't seen him for ages. Best PM him IMO.
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Re: The rise of the Praetorian Class

Postby Garincho » Fri Jan 08, 2016 2:32 pm » Google Chrome 46.0.249 Google Chrome 46.0.249  Windows Seven 64 bits Windows Seven 64 bits  Screen Resolution: 1680 x 1050 1680 x 1050

Sorry that was meant to be Laura not Hooloovoo.
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Re: The rise of the Praetorian Class

Postby Laura » Sat Jan 09, 2016 11:14 pm » Google Chrome 46.0.245 Google Chrome 46.0.245  Windows Seven Windows Seven  Screen Resolution: 1366 x 768 1366 x 768

Was I meant to be? - :think:
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Re: The rise of the Praetorian Class

Postby Hooloovoo » Wed Jan 13, 2016 9:38 pm » Google Chrome 47.0.252 Google Chrome 47.0.252  Windows NT 64 bits Windows NT 64 bits  Screen Resolution: 1366 x 768 1366 x 768

We haven't seen him for ages.



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